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steve j. - Posted - 06/03/2010: 07:03:49
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Originally posted by SLKmartin
Rage on .I like that...........................Listen to this its great. .flatpickerhangout.com/myhangou...icID=2359
That is good, I like that stuff. I guess that point doesnt get thru. oh well
SLKmartin - Posted - 06/03/2010: 08:45:55
Some folks , Like it just the way it is . Others see a wider focus is agood thing. If it doesnt grow then it needs to be tweeked. IMHO 3085 members and growing. 06-03-2010
buddy - Posted - 08/18/2010: 16:51:25
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Originally posted by Brian T
Eric indulges the game-players with a little sandbox of their own in these sites that he's built. Never seems to contribute much to my playing skills. Make a space for the fingerpickers. The classical guitar flatpickers, Make a space for the Acoustic Guitar Anythings. Why? I think that the greater the general membership, the more encouragement and knowledge is offered to all of us. Nose-pickers and nit-pickers hardly welcome.
Although he may lurk in the Banjo Hangout, I dont' see anybody on Bela Fleck's case for playing a Deering Crossfire!
I think we should indulge the arrogant, self-aggrandizing element with a Canuck Nosepickers Hangout.
Redstone - Posted - 09/05/2010: 19:04:33
There should atleast be an accoustic guitar hangout, and an electric hangout.
Both would be great!
brokepick - Posted - 09/08/2010: 10:41:32
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Originally posted by Redstone
There should atleast be an accoustic guitar hangout, and an electric hangout.
Both would be great!
I can think of a couple of guitar forums.
acousticguitarforum.com/forums/index.php This one's fully acoustic, and it's pretty civilized.
and
acapella.harmony-central.com/ This one has a broad spectrum of interests, electric and acoustic included. It is definitely not so civilized, but it can be interesting.
jeffrsn - Posted - 09/09/2010: 16:44:58
I would totally support it if Acoustic Guitar magazine was to open a forum and call it Acoustic Guitar hangout. To me the name implies that organization
If it ain't broke don't fix it
tonyrice fan - Posted - 09/09/2010: 18:56:12
I would appreciate it if it was not changed, but doesn't really matter. If it was changed, I think that it should be just Guitar hangout. Then fingerpickers would feel welcome too. But it is good the way it is. Why do so many people have to screw up a good thing? I guess I will never understand.
cabinfever - Posted - 09/09/2010: 19:18:47
I agree with others and for me also the appeal of this site is that it's flatpicking-centric. Spread a site too thin and the focus of all the styles gets washed out and/or flatpicking could take a back seat to others. There is a need for a flatpickers hangout as evidenced by many here. If this site changes from being a flatpicker specific hangout, flatpickers might have to go somewhere else or perhaps even start up another flatpicker specific site. Or better yet, since this is already a flatpicker site, why don't those wanting a more general "acoustic guitar" site start up one. Just a thought.
Jim
Taylor410 - Posted - 09/09/2010: 20:00:20
My vote is for "Acoustic Guitar Hangout". I admire good flatpicking, but have never mastered it to the point of performing. I have been a rhythm player/vocalist for 15 years, however, I find the information on this site valuable for any acoustic player. Why limit your exposure and access to knowledge and experience? We are here to share, right?
No matter what you call it, I will continue to check the site regularly. However, if you plan to sell some T-Shirts...
Jack T - Posted - 09/09/2010: 20:37:31
I know that it doesnt' matter much, but if it is changed I will no longer participate or be a member.
I joined Flatpicker because it is a site for flatpickers. Had it been Acoustic Guitar Hangout I would have not even checked it out in the first place.
I have noticed that a lot of the the old members that were posting great post before this fuss all started have not posted anything in a long time. I guess they have made their feelings known by leaving. What a loss.
There are other acoustic guitar sites on the Internet but only one Flatpicker Hangout.
What next, Fiddle Hangout to Violin Hangout?
un5trung - Posted - 09/09/2010: 20:45:56
To me "flatpicking" is too narrow. I play acoustic guitar -- finger style. The banjo hangout has shown that various different modes of play can co- exist in one forum:
Scruggs, old time, jazz, Irish, etc. And it is a wildly successful site due in large part to the big tent approach. Limiting this site flat picking is a pup- tent approach, and is a major reason why myself and others rarely come here: it doesn't serve our needs.
I like the ACOUSTIC guitar approach because it widens the scope of the forum to a number of traditional styles.
Finally, it is a good idea for this reason: the question is being asked in the first place. If the original conception of the forum was working out there would be no reason to ask for alternative modalities.
Michael DiMenna - Posted - 09/10/2010: 04:38:43
I am a guitar picker, however I would classify myself as a finger picker and for years would not let a pick get near my '66 D-35...unless held by a special pro.. I did my share of flat picking and particularly like that style where it sounds like finger picking... anyway I have deep respect for the flat-picking style......... and think that as an finger picking acoustic guitar player who loves the sound of wood and steel I weigh in on keeping things as they are. Watered down appeal just does not cut it. The bounce of the finger picking sound is unique to my ears and I love that this site focuses on this style only..... even though its not MY style. Let the strummers, fingerpickers, acoustic freaks, psychedelics, heavy metals, electrico's, start their own fricken site. Flat picking is its own thing and must be respected and marveled for its history, tradition,community, sound, techniques,and Doc Watson. Amen. PS I still keep a Fender medium pick in my case, just in case I am inspired!
oldandintheway - Posted - 09/10/2010: 05:02:54
I think a change to Acoustic Guitar Styles would cover everything in separate sections. In the UMGF, almost every style and instrument is addressed in an
individual section. There's something for everyone and we mostly get along
except for a flareup now and then. The only genre not specifically mentioned on the UMGF is electric guitar modes and styles. Although there is a lot of discussion
about sound systems for acoustics. I voted to broaden the span of Flatpicking for those reasons.
rebelpicker - Posted - 09/10/2010: 05:59:56
There already is an Acoustic Guitar web site, plus this site doesn't limit discussions only to flat picking, so anyone is welcome to ask questions and comment, leave the site as is.
brokepick - Posted - 09/10/2010: 06:22:57
AFAIK, FPHO is the only forum devoted to flatpicking. That's what it was started as, that's what I joined it for. There are already several general interest acoustic guitar forums out there. Why try to make this into another one?
flatpickfan - Posted - 09/10/2010: 07:06:20
I first voted no and then read some of the comments both for and against. There must be something about the date 5/11/09 because three comments in a row by Mssrs Mike Pullen, Slowhand, and Stringnut exactly express my feelings. So why re-invent the wheel; if you want the reason I vote no please go back and read those comments.
DaddyJ - Posted - 09/10/2010: 07:07:02
OOOOOOMMMMMMGGGGGGGG. Do you people go to a Chinese restaurant and complain that all they serve is Chinese food? That’s what you’re doing here. Stop making a scene, go to another restaurant, and let me enjoy my Kung Pao.
fpeay - Posted - 09/10/2010: 07:24:09
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I came here because this site's about flatpicking
My thoughts exactly.
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 07:27:19
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Originally posted by DaddyJ
OOOOOOMMMMMMGGGGGGGG. Do you people go to a Chinese restaurant and complain that all they serve is Chinese food? That’s what you’re doing here. Stop making a scene, go to another restaurant, and let me enjoy my Kung Pao.
Well put.
ccravens - Posted - 09/10/2010: 08:26:15
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Originally posted by DaddyJ
OOOOOOMMMMMMGGGGGGGG. Do you people go to a Chinese restaurant and complain that all they serve is Chinese food? That’s what you’re doing here. Stop making a scene, go to another restaurant, and let me enjoy my Kung Pao.
Seconded.
ccravens - Posted - 09/10/2010: 08:31:47
If this site goes "general" will someone please set up an alternate flatpicking site so I can move there?
Like "Banjo Holler" is to the BHO.
I'd be willing to help however I could, and maybe others would be willing to also.
SLKmartin - Posted - 09/10/2010: 08:41:46
A poll run by the Web Master sounds fair. I'd be willing to abide the result.This is an opportunity to broaden this site with out hampering the more focused members
B.J. - Posted - 09/10/2010: 08:54:34
2 definitely. I like all the points of view on this site, but i'm a chord player.
Indiana
Laurence Diehl - Posted - 09/10/2010: 08:54:51
I have changed my position. I used to be pretty adamant about keeping this site as a forum for flatpickers - which most people interpret as being the style of Doc Watson, Tony Rice etc.
But let's face it, this place IS DYING! Just look at the forums. Activity is actually slowing down, despite incrementally gaining members. There's like 3 guys doing all the talking. Look at the sound off forum. Few people posting, even less are commenting! Contrast that with FHO (which admittedly has twice the membership) but people there are posting and commenting ALL THE TIME.
So I say we need some fresh blood in here - maybe some more with the cranky attitude of those combative banjo players over on BHO! 
This site needs some help!
Laurence
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 09:02:15
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Originally posted by SLKmartin
A poll run by the Web Master sounds fair. I'd be willing to abide the result.This is an opportunity to broaden this site with out hampering the more focused members
Everybody, I think SLKMartin/Steve Krell is just upset because none of the flatpickers here give his original songs the attention and praise he thinks they deserve. So, give him the attention he craves by going here:
c1.ezfolk.com/StephenKrell/Open an account, and rate all of his songs. But don't give them a 1 rating, because that would absolutely drive him nuts!
steve j. - Posted - 09/10/2010: 09:04:44
Finally, I voted for changing the name. I left because there are 3-4 guys who have their little thing , and if you cant or dont want to,play exactly their way ,you are not welcome. Thats looney!
Maybe this site could actually come to life .
Steve
bluemountainhome - Posted - 09/10/2010: 09:07:01
I am very new to this site, and almost as soon as I signed up my life got pretty busy, and I haven't been on here. I lurked on here for a while and it seems like this is a good community. learned a few things too I feel that keeping the site named flatpicker helps to keep the focus on old time and celtic music etc, (a HUGE reason why I like the site - because of the focus on traditional music) so I don't see a real need to change the name but its not too bad if it does.
the real important piece here is the community.
that said, I enjoy more than just flatpicking, such as finger picking, and would like to see sub categories within the forums for other styles even if the name doesn't change.
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 09:12:50
Cause I'm a banjo daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwgggggggggggggggggg............................
Laurence Diehl - Posted - 09/10/2010: 09:16:37
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Originally posted by slowhand
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Originally posted by SLKmartin
A poll run by the Web Master sounds fair. I'd be willing to abide the result.This is an opportunity to broaden this site with out hampering the more focused members
Everybody, I think SLKMartin/Steve Krell is just upset because none of the flatpickers here give his original songs the attention and praise he thinks they deserve. So, give him the attention he craves by going here:
c1.ezfolk.com/StephenKrell/
Open an account, and rate all of his songs. But don't give them a 1 rating, because that would absolutely drive him nuts!
I am not getting in the middle of this, but my point is that NOBDOY is getting the attention they deserve! Posting anything on this site is an invitation to be ignored - across the board. That is not an indicator of a successful site. Whether changing the name will make any difference i don't know, I just think at this point we have very little to lose.
Laurence
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 09:27:03
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Originally posted by Laurence Diehl
I am not getting in the middle of this, but my point is that NOBDOY is getting the attention they deserve! Posting anything on this site is an invitation to be ignored - across the board. That is not an indicator of a successful site. Whether changing the name will make any difference i don't know, I just think at this point we have very little to lose.
What we have to lose is one of the few, rare little corners of the internet devoted to flatpicking. If you want a general acoustic guitar site, Laurence, there are many to choose from. And as far as the site being dead goes, these threads keep the page views high and the ad revenues flowing, so I think they're probably subsidizing my interest in flatpicking.
... Cause I'm a flatpickin' daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwgggggggggggggggggg....
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 09:44:52
Come on guys, don't let this thread die again!
...Cause I'm a fingerpickin' daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwggggggggggggggg...
... in a FUNKY BLUE CADILLAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 10:00:35
Any Flamenco dawgs reading this site?
ccravens - Posted - 09/10/2010: 10:08:30
There are MANY other general "acoustic" guitar sites where you can post music & discuss topics.
Why the need to change this one? If you're not happy with the amount of traffic, or you feel you're not getting enough attention, why not go to one of the others?
Are the # of new members you think you'll get by changing it going to make up for the ones who leave?
Why does a site have to be FULL of "traffic" to be relevant and meaningful?
In the end, it may be that only "traffic" (in other words: $) really matters. Eric will make the call, none of us will. And he'll probably based it on purely economic reasons, which is his right.
steve j. - Posted - 09/10/2010: 10:10:19
I like to play a bit of Flamenco now & then. A bit of classical as well. And I like to play my best shot at Orrin Starrs Old Joe Clark.
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 10:23:40
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Originally posted by steve j.
I like to play a bit of Flamenco now & then. A bit of classical as well. And I like to play my best shot at Orrin Starrs Old Joe Clark.
Interesting. How about posting a recording of some Flamenco? All genres are welcome, after all.
un5trung - Posted - 09/10/2010: 10:26:29
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n the end, it may be that only "traffic" (in other words: $) really matters. Eric will make the call, none of us will. And he'll probably based it on purely economic reasons, which is his right.
Greater traffic = greater income is likely to benefit us all. More money could mean investment in more sophisticated infrastructure to support the site. More traffic allows Eric to go to the vendors and say "look, we have X+X number of subscribers, so it's worth your while to advertise by donating a nice guitar we can offer as a prize."
I come back to the banjo hangout which, as I've argued elsewhere, is wildly successful because it caters to a variety of styles. There are forums for Scruggs-type pickers, old time musicians,jazz, Irish, etc., and people get along. A Scruggs style banjo player need never come in contact with an old time musician, so for all intents and purposes the site is for that person a Scruggs-style site. Ditto all the other styles. Or musicians who play more than one style can go back and forth.
The conception of the banjo hangout works, it works very well. If Eric had limited the site to Bluegrass banjo I imagine it wouldn't be anywhere near as successful; people like me would be left out in the cold and wouldn't participate.
As it is I'm being left out in the cold on this site, and I don't participate. If the model of this forum was changed to something closer to the banjo hangout I'd be here every day.
I'll finish with a metaphor I've used elsewhere: the Banjo Hangout takes the big tent approach, while the Flatpicker Hangout takes the pup-tent approach. The first is wildly successful and the second is less so. Let's crawl out of the pup tent, stretch our legs and make this forum one which entertains a variety of acoustic styles.
steve j. - Posted - 09/10/2010: 10:34:18
You wouldnt enjoy my flamenco,, it has a long way to go, but it is still fun,
Steve
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 12:37:37
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Originally posted by steve j.
From your history I believe you are not serious,
but heres one for you
youtube.com/watch?v=tueiub3X4Lk
warning ,, fingerpicking content ;)
Steve
Not bad. Have you posted it to any of the numerous general guitar sites out there? Do you frequent any of them?
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 12:39:26
Are there any other Flamenco players who wandered into the site and now want it to be called "Flamenco Hangout?"
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 12:41:55
Come on guys, don't be shy! The site will be in no danger of dying as long as you keep whining about it!
... Cause I'm a banjo daaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwgggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 12:44:33
Seriously, though, where do these flatpickers get off thinking there should be a site devoted to flatpicking, when there are so many fingerpickers out there?
steve j. - Posted - 09/10/2010: 12:52:16
go ahead , I only did what you keep doing , except you are just being a little smarty about it. can anybody say passive aggressive
Steve
slowhand - Posted - 09/10/2010: 13:01:45
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Originally posted by steve j.
go ahead , I only did what you keep doing , except you are just being a little smarty about it. can anybody say passive aggressive
Steve
If you think I've broken any rules, report the post. There's a link right there on the screen.
Seriously, Steve, there are dozens of sites out there that accommodate your musical interests. Why is it so important to you that this one do so as well? And if site is dying, which it's not, why would you even care? If you're all about rescuing dying sites, why don't you go rescue this one:
europeanoldtimers.ning.com/They think that only old-time music should be posted and discussed. Go show them the light.
Laurence Diehl - Posted - 09/10/2010: 13:01:49
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Originally posted by ccravens
There are MANY other general "acoustic" guitar sites where you can post music & discuss topics.
Why the need to change this one? If you're not happy with the amount of traffic, or you feel you're not getting enough attention, why not go to one of the others?
Are the # of new members you think you'll get by changing it going to make up for the ones who leave?
Why does a site have to be FULL of "traffic" to be relevant and meaningful?
In the end, it may be that only "traffic" (in other words: $) really matters. Eric will make the call, none of us will. And he'll probably based it on purely economic reasons, which is his right.
Hmmm...lesse, that's a lot of questions
First, let me say that nothing would make me happier than having 50,000 rabid Tony Rice fans as members of this site, constantly engaged in discussion, swapping ideas, collaborating, posting & critiquing each others tunes etc. That is not happening and I really don't understand why OR what the solution is! Personally, I am not content with this 'rare little corners of the internet devoted to flatpicking' (slowhand) - dinosaurs are rare too.
Q: Why don't I go to some other site?
A: I feel comfortable here. I like Eric's format (I am also a BHO member) and it's like sitting in a big comfy chair - you don't want to go across the room to that bench that doesn't look so good.
Q: Are the # of new members you think you'll get by changing it going to make up for the ones who leave?
A: That's a good point. Both the gainers and the leavers are hypothetical at this point, I just don't know how that would pan out.
Q: Why does a site have to be FULL of "traffic" to be relevant and meaningful?
A: I am not thinking in terms of click-through counts, much as I like Eric I don't really care if he makes money off this site or not. But seeing forum topics langiush, sound posts getting one comment a month is like watching grass grow. Maybe that is okay with some, but I like to see a bit more vibrancy
One good thing though - this topic is getting some good discussion going!
C'mon LET'S DO IT!!
steve j. - Posted - 09/10/2010: 13:19:10
You and 1 other person make this site uncomfortable for people. I went to your page, no vids? I listened to you , yes you can play. Are you worried finger pickers and chord strummers may get some attention?
you & the other guy, keep folk away. You both attack people in a backbiting and sarcastic way.
I saw Jamey Pittman was on your page. I doubt he is worried about the name change, whatever the name is he will still be way, way head & shoulders above me& 99% of folks And thats cool. We ALL do our thing , the best we can. You have dogged out Krell, who as far as I know is a real nice guy. You even went and did a bunch of negative comments on his stuff. Steve Krell isnt hiding & I am not either.
Im sure we can all let this all pass, you need to come down off your sarcastic high horse though.
Steve
steve j. - Posted - 09/10/2010: 13:30:56
I dont mean to be a jerk yall, but I hate it when I see someone being picked on for no reason. I would do my best to stop it in real life , and here too I guess. Thats the way Momma raised me.
Steve
Laurence Diehl - Posted - 09/10/2010: 13:36:56
Steve, I don't think you were being a jerk. People have strong feelings about their music, and rightly so. I much prefer some coloful dialogue to the coma that is usually prevalent around here. Sometimes it is hard to convey a tone in this text based format.
Laurence
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